You need Kleenex.
No, I'm fine. I'll just take one.
Thank you.
Alright, so we've got a few more topics.
We're going to cover the following topics now.
Religion, career in parenting older children, and grandparenting.
Okay?
So how do you worship today?
Well, we're LDS, so we go to, I go to church on Sunday.
He doesn't always go.
And I go to Relief Society.
Are you LDS?
I am.
Yeah.
I mean, I go to things I should go to, you know.
I enjoy church and the people there.
You're the Mother Teresa of the war.
You have been for years.
Oh, no.
Pam and Charlotte say you're always making double batches of things and then taking others
over to neighbors. And you always keep track of who in the neighbors is having babies and
who's sick.
Not always. Sometimes.
That's what you've done for years. I just remember that of you.
Oh.
I just remember that of you.
in the meeting, if I look at it online, I can't see the audience or my friends, I
always see it as the speaker in the bishop's room. So I read that summary every week, but
I haven't been going because it's painful.
Well, you should ask the bishop to get permission to get the sacrament brought here every Sunday.
That'd be a good opportunity.
They do that.
Do they?
I know they do that.
The bishop came and pulled me out of the tub when I fell. I fell backward into the tub
at home and couldn't get up. The bishop pulled me out.
In his clothes, he stood in the tub, went up to his knees in his suit, you know, and
pulled him up.
Sounds like a good bishop.
Good bishop.
It wasn't this tub, right? It wasn't this tub?
No, no, no. It was home.
What's the difference between the two?
What's your G blows?
What's his name?
He is very into it.
I was going to say that. I knew it was a compound word and it had love in it.
David spent it. David spent it.
The two of them write the letter that summarizes the meaning. They always add their impressions
of it and expand and give you meaning to it. It's much better than going to the meeting.
Oh my gosh, that's so much better.
I'm loving it.
David loves it.
It's very smart too.
The two of them write the letter and it summarizes the meaning.
That's great.
They always add their impressions of it and expand and give you meaning to it.
It's much better to go to the meeting.
Oh my goodness, that's so wonderful.
Well, that's great that you're getting the sacrament.
That's probably the most important of it all.
So, did you have any religions that you affiliated with in your life before marrying Beverly?
Any what?
Any religions?
Oh yeah.
My father came from Sweden when he was nineteen because he became a member of the church.
Oh.
And I went to church every Sunday all my life until I was married.
We went there all the time until I started.
I went to church every Sunday of my life until I was married.
We went there all the time until I started having medical problems.
I fell into the tub here and cracked my spine.
It was awkward. I broke off two lateral pieces of the slumber.
That was quite the fall. And that was here.
Yeah. And I...
It fell backward and I hit the porcelain sheet before that.
Oh.
So, I haven't been going to church, but I read the mission summary every week.
Oh, good.
Good. Better than the meeting, really.
What I miss is the relationship with friends.
Because if you look on TV, they don't show the—
TV just shows the speaker.
Yeah.
Yeah, they show the speaker.
Someone plays music or something.
Sure.
So tell me about your belief in God.
I don't know, I read that question of yours, and you know, God has just always been in
my life, so I haven't questioned or thought too much about it.
I just go along with worshiping every Sunday, or in my prayers, you know, weekly, daily.
But I don't have much to say about that.
How about Jesus?
Same thing, I think.
Same thing.
I guess I felt their help at times and I'm grateful for that.
So I don't have a lot to say about that.
How do you find peace?
I guess with music, prayer, friends, family, I just always tell that I have peace.
Don't you feel that way?
Yes, and I have a talk that Uncle Dale gave maybe 25 years ago, and my dad had it in his
file. It was on music. Dale gave a talk about music and how music has influenced his life
and made him feel more spiritual. I'll find a copy of that, but anyway.
That's great.
These two have been very involved. Did you know they both sang in the Mormon Tabernacle
Choir?
Really? I didn't know this.
I was like eight years old and remember in California being in pajamas with my siblings
on conference morning and we'd go sit in front of the TV and watch for Dale and Beverly
as the camera would span over the choir.
Wow.
I had no idea.
You didn't tell me that in your old show.
No, they did.
I asked about volunteering in service.
They had a special choir in Philadelphia where we both sang in.
It was very sophisticated.
QF. Was it the Mendelssohn Choir?
A. It was.
QF. I'm in Philadelphia and I've heard of that. They're still going.
A. Are they still going?
QF. Because we had been in that, we were immediately admitted to the Tabernacle Choir. We were
going to look for you. Wow.
QF. That is significant. I did not know that, Dale.
A. What did he say?
QF. It's so hard to get into the Tabernacle Choir. But because you guys were in the Mendelssohn
choir or Mendelssohn chorus in Philadelphia, which I'm familiar with. I know about that.
And then we came home and we auditioned. I said to Dale, why don't we audition for
the Tabernacle Choir? And so we went down one Thursday night and Richard Condy was the
director. And he listened to Dale sing and he said, fine, you can be in it. You know,
now you have to go to school and everything. And then he listened to me sing, he said,
well, I don't know. But we had a friend with us, and the friend said to Richard Condy,
oh, you like to have married couples. If you took Dale, you gotta take his wife. And so
I got in.
So what did you sing?
Alto.
Alto and you?
Bass.
Bass.
But that was, music's been fun from the beginning for us, the drawing card.
We were lucky, we traveled a lot overseas at the choir in those days. The choir doesn't
travel much now. We traveled to Europe.
What were you going to say?
I was going to say, once I asked my dad about, you know, the, in the choir, and he said,
I said, I've never heard Beverly sing a solo,
but if she's in the choir, she must be really good.
And he said, she's a support that stays,
she can carry a tune perfectly,
so she's got this supportive voice
that the others around her keep them singing in tune.
Your brother said, John said this.
He said she's not a solo voice, but she's needful.
For the volume.
Yeah, the other ones are too.
Well, the choir needs all kinds of people.
Yeah.
Well, that's great.
So what was some of the, one of the special experiences
that you had in the choir, if you don't mind me asking,
that you can think of?
It was sort of a negative experience.
Same with the,
where was it, was it in London?
What are you talking about?
special experience with the choir. And Richard Conde at the time was our conductor. And we started out practicing with the choir in London, with the London Orchestra. And somehow Conde was leaving and got confused or something. And they had to stop and start, stop and start. And someone sent a message around through the choir.
I forgot to mention, but anyway, it was The Devil is Among Us.
Condie stood down and we got another conductor, one of the British ones, and everything went fine.
The choir was having trouble singing with the orchestra in London.
Condi was having a bad day.
He was a great conductor.
We sang in France and Germany and Norway.
We had a good time with Japan.
Oh, Japan you sang?
Yeah.
Oh, that's cool.
In Japan, I was coming to the concert, we took a taxi and I left my camera in the taxi.
We jangled at the choir and came home. The taxi driver drove up and gave me my camera.
I thought that was amazing.
In what country?
Japan.
In Japan.
Yeah.
That's excellent.
Do you remember 1976, the bicentennial tour of the choir?
So I got to go on that.
Your parents did a big thing.
Well, so my grandpa at the time was the president of the tabernacle choir, Oakley S. Evans.
And for my high school graduation gift, he asked me and my mother to go on as his guests.
And it was so much fun.
And I got to sit behind L. Tom Perry and his new bride, Barbara, a 45-year-old nurse, never
been married before because his wife had died.
And it was fabulous.
It was the bicentennial.
So we went to Philadelphia, New York, Boston.
It was fun.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah, I love being in the choir.
What experiences do you remember from the choir?
Well, some of the travel experiences, the places that we went to, and just every Thursday
night going to choir practice Sunday morning for the broadcast.
And then I can remember one Thursday, Dale had, Dale was in about ten years, and he dropped
out because of his profession.
He got busy.
And I stayed in longer.
And I remember one Thursday night, I fed the children supper, and I was to go off to choir
practice at seven thirty, just at the tabernacle, five minutes drive away where we were.
And I can remember thinking, I don't want to go tonight.
And that was the beginning.
I didn't go that night, and then I think on Sunday, and then I finally wrote a letter
and said, you know, I've had enough.
How many years?
It was 15.
And some were, he was in about 10.
Some were in a lot longer than that.
But I just had my fill after that.
Yeah.
So.
I'll tell you another Richard Convy thing.
We were singing in France.
And he had booked the choir to go by bus to England for that concert, which he thought, well...
Well, it was across the channel from France to England.
He had to go under the channel.
It was a disaster. It was the middle of the night, we were all trying to get from France to England,
because he had forgotten a waterway or something.
Then he went over there and he fouled up the leading enemy.
I think he really had trouble with me again.
It sounds like you had a lot of responsibility.
You had a lot of people to look after.
And I wonder how much help he had, actually.
It sounds like he didn't have much.
It was all on him.
Oh, but he had an entourage of helpers that went along.
There were about 300, they used to say 375 in the choir.
That's how they advertised, maybe it was 350 or so.
But when we traveled on any trips, there were like 600
because they let the choir take any people they wanted to,
to children, adults or so. They could take visitors along and then they had all the choir
personnel. So when we traveled, it was about 600, which is a lot.
So did your kids ever go with you?
Our kids didn't. I don't think they were interested, were they? We didn't ask them.
So what specific scriptures or hymns have you liked?
Oh, can't get into that.
Oh, yeah we can. That's why I asked.
I was just reading one this morning.
What was it?
What was it?
You can paraphrase it if you need to.
You don't need to know the source.
What was I reading?
I don't know.
Do you have any favorite deal?
Do you?
I would love to hear yours.
favorite Dale? You? I'd love to hear yours.
I can't think.
All the things that could be due to Jesus, the problem is they have changed.
Hello?
Oh, do you want to take it?
Yeah.
Hi, I'm Emily, I'm Deanna, one of the nurses with CNS.
Oh.
For a shot.
Oh good.
A shot?
Yes.
With Huntsman at home.
Okay.
Yeah.
What do you need?
A shot, you said?
Yeah.
She's on reticare.
She's got a blood disorder.
Let me get the material from the fridge.
I called in, I don't know if I woke up, I don't know how many hours difference Europe
is that I called and woke up your child, your daughter.
Oh, yes.
Pam, she's in Germany.
Oh, my goodness.
In Germany?
Yeah, she's in Germany.
Oh, my goodness.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah, she's in Germany.
What can I get, Dale?
Should I get something out of the refrigerator?
I know where it is.
Just let me get it out.
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't know what he's getting.
Help you up or you got it?
Oh, I got it.
What is it you need?
I'm gonna take your vital signs first.
So do you help other people in this area?
I'm actually from the Layton office, just helping to come help the Salt Lake people.
Oh, it's okay.
It's okay, I'm good.
I won't.
Yeah, I thought London was coming.
I don't know.
I don't know why she's not.
They don't tell me why, they just say go.
Yeah.
Do you want to sit down?
They don't tell me why, they just say go.
Yeah.
Yeah, let me grab my phone and I'll sit down.
93.
93. That's okay.
Oh, I'm just going to grab my glasses
Because every once in a while I'm thinking I should check.
Is that it?
Yeah.
Yeah, this is Mary Valley, most of Beverly, she loves to keep tabs.
These are the four that she'll well know.
Turn that off.
April.
This is April.
April, turn it off.
Oh, right here?
Yeah.
Charlotte is my age of Elizabeth.
Two-seventy.
OK.
So.
OK.
So that's four.
This is number seven?
That's her husband.
So Charlotte and her husband live in Salt Lake.
Okay.
In the back.
You look good. You feeling okay?
How's your appetite?
Fine.
Have you had a down movement today?
Well, one girl.
Okay.
And she...
She's been...
I thought when I went in...
Yeah, that's good.
And then this was in 2000.
She's a lot of women she was here.
Because the first time Paul was a Delta girl.
Okay.
So Russell lives here.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
And he's a very good woman.
I can't bend down.
Yes.
I'll do that.
Okay.
And should I hand this over to her?
Yeah.
There you go.
Where's the medication?
Right here.
Okay.
Right here.
Okay.
I was like, oh, that's not going to be a lot of it.
I'm going to put it on the table.
Okay.
Okay.
So, I'm going to put it on the table.
Okay.
And then I'm going to put it on the table.
Okay.
And then I'm going to put it on the table.
Okay.
And then I'm going to put it on the table.
Okay.
And then I'm going to put it on the table.
Okay.
And then I'm going to put it on the table.
Okay.
I'd like you to look at the rash on her back. Yeah. Yeah, your daughter told me about it. She's been itching it. Okay.
Let me have you sit up just a little bit. Let me look.
Yeah, I'm just ready to see if I could see the four children.
Oh yeah, you do have a little bit of a rash.
Well, it's all rich. This is bustle.
Okay, alright.
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I don't know, called the Rockinar Ranch.
Let's see, where's it at?
So it's just the various items that my brother David's
found, my sister Sarah's found.
There's Russell.
I can't remember what the occasion was, but.
I think I remember him speaking at a party.
Oh yes, that's true.
He had a lot of dollars.
He drove down to New Lowell.
Yes.
So how would you say her appetite is?
Her appetite is okay. She itches on her face and she came up with these nostrils on her back.
Yeah, I see that. You're itching your face too? Face-bagging you?
Sometimes.
Oh, I see that.
We were scratching this morning all of it.
Okay.
So the format.
Okay.
The format, you know, just the way it's designed.
It's dry too. I should have changed.
or written or you could work out really well
with that kind of thing.
So, he's sick right now, huh?
Yeah.
Is he married?
No, he's about 27 and he's going to be like that.
What does it have on it?
Do you guys know that?
It's an auto-amazing disorder.
Auto-amazing?
Yeah.
It's a car.
Yes.
He was just a cop.
He was like, he was like that.
He was like 150,000.
He was just doing some good stuff.
I think you know what?
He brought a medal for the
Special Olympics
down this field even though he's not too full on
the poles. Are you able to walk around without a walker or anything?
Yeah.
I'm sorry, we're going to take that out of the fridge sooner. I didn't know when you were coming.
No, they told me they were going to call you. They asked me what to call you.
Well, I did go to your other house.
The phones don't, oh, and the phones don't work here yet.
Oh, okay.
I've got a cell phone here.
Did you go to your other house?
I did.
Oh, didn't you even answer the phone?
No, no, that's good, huh?
No.
And you called my daughter and she's in Germany.
I know. I know. I felt bad. But I did call your cell phone, I thought. Is your number...maybe I did the dial the right one.
That's the 801-884-6884?
Yeah.
Oh, I did call your cell phone. It went straight to voice message.
Ernest, mostly?
Or where's life?
No.
No.
Russell was 30 when he was nine.
33 is when my dad was born.
So Russell came here to make the other.
Maybe I knew.
Here.
No, maybe.
Is he known yet?
Because he only lived so long.
He had like five generations of kids.
What's your number?
Was she 80?
Oh, 434.
4.
3-3.
4.
Yeah, you missed quite a few calls. I wonder if your volume is not up.
No, it does at your...
Oh, okay.
Let me see.
Now I'm the top one up there.
You're the top one.
Yeah.
Oh, Robert Brent Clark, I missed him too.
Oh, very appealing.
She is, she would file for this study
because she's the only living granddaughter of a little girl
and she would, they can be burned.
So we have to do that match.
That's great.
That's very interesting.
I know.
I think we're short of time.
I know.
They showed you in your two species, it's tail warm.
Yeah.
Of course.
How hard is this?
Is this a shot?
It is.
You're going to get it?
More than that.
Do they, where do they usually give it to her?
Abdomen.
Abdomen.
Thank you.
That's why.
I gave it.
It's not a, it's not a, this is being done.
It's coming to you badly.
But I'm just saying that it's just one item that we've done.
April?
April?
We can move the chair back so I can hear.
Oh, sure.
Oh, sorry about that.
Very good.
Just make a haunting noise.
A really loud haunting noise.
A real loud haunting noise.
Okay.
Anyway, so the other three have had their DNA tested,
including Betty, Robert, and Stan,
because Chris just got Stan's done.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Come sit down if you need.
It's going to be in a shot in her belly if everybody's okay with that or not.
I'll just turn it away.
Okay.
I mean just a minute I'm sorry.
Yeah not a problem.
Oh this is Barbara right here.
So we have Beverly and Dale and this is the younger sister Barbara.
My dad, I've never been to the barber,
or from Grandma's, and I wish Grandma would just
make sure it's like she's not in the business.
She was quite a character.
Where's this, Dolly?
Yeah, it'll be a minute, just give me a second.
Where are the children?
Where?
This is one, and here's the other.
Oh, okay.
There's two, two of them.
Yep, okay, so the oldest is Kam,
but I don't hear what you're looking for, Kam, right now.
She's got six children, and she and her husband,
oh, here you go.
That's one for children. That's her oldest daughter.
That's her oldest daughter.
Oh, there's Pam. Pam with Beverly and Charlotte.
So there's Beverly with her two daughters.
This is this one.
Uh-huh.
Yep, Charlotte.
Charlotte's basically my age. She's four months older.
And Pam has-
You can have your last drop.
That's right.
Get to the last drop.
One more.
There's Donna. That's Russell's second wife.
I didn't find you.
I just want to message you.
Uh-huh, yep.
What was that?
I didn't leave a message.
I just went to call in the next number.
She's way younger.
Yeah.
What was the phone call?
Yeah, it was a phone call.
Second time.
What do you think?
When was it?
When it's hundreds?
Oh, almost.
Almost.
He was actually pushing her wheelchair.
When they went to the facility.
Did he ever?
Yes.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah, he did.
He did.
Yeah.
Oh, he's this big.
I'm still looking for him.
Are you in any pain?
I'm still looking for Pan and her.
I did too, huh?
Yeah, sorry.
OK, and then we got this piece of peter.
And peter is married by a Japanese man on the ocean.
because it was Japanese, like this fabulous job
with J.P. Morgan and some banking, Canada.
And then it went to my daughter.
Oh, I guess they're creating some,
okay, these are all like,
harder to understand, and I just,
I'm surprised I don't see an actual selfie set
when they went to church.
I think they're there.
All right, anyway.
I'm gonna use them.
Yeah.
Oh, there's Peter right there.
Peter and his wife and his daughter.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
And they were the candidates.
I was telling them why.
Can you take that?
Is this the reason?
Oh, my goodness.
Not the word.
Yeah, but hey, you want to come back to your wife?
It's the answer.
We're going to go sign up for that.
Yeah.
Wow, this is very, very cute.
People actually take the, actually,
actually
what do you think about the
in the back. Yeah. We let you through, right? I mean, it could be related to anything that
she's taking, you know what I mean? Yeah. So, I don't think so. But I did address, let
I know in the office.
Okay.
And they served a mission to Philadelphia.
Did she just see or did she change the doctor?
That's her daughter in sign and law.
Oh.
Yeah, but this is Pam right here, but I do not see her husband at all.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
I guess they've got to be in here, right?
You want to throw in there?
I'll throw in there.
No, I'll go get him.
Where's the trash at?
It's in the kitchen.
In the kitchen.
OK.
And then these go back in the fridge.
OK.
And then there's the second child who is at home.
And that's the one that's right.
He's a wife.
He's a girl.
He's a girl.
We've got two phones here.
Two more?
Who's phone is this?
Oh, yeah.
There's two signs there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is this your phone?
That's mine.
Yes, that's mine.
Oh, sorry.
Oh, I'm sorry.
No, it's okay.
All done?
We'll just leave it here.
I'm recording you, so I have a good voice with you, so I'm leaving it kind of near your
mouth.
Okay.
Okay, I just need a signature and I'm out of your hair.
I just need a signature and I'm out of your hair.
Did you give her two cc's?
Yes sir. Do we need more syringes?
I think we're sure of the syringe.
You have enough for next week and then they'll have to probably get one, bring one with them.
Could you tell someone?
I'll tell them, yep.
And you said London's your regular nurse? Yeah.
Okay, I'll text her and let her know.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Okay, you guys have a good day.
Sure, thank you.
Oh, let me ask you a quick question.
Just a real quick question.
I just am curious to know about his fall,
because my mother had a different kind of a bathtub.
Tell me about it.
She's got a model.
Have you got a model?
Yeah, I'm getting into it.
I'm just kind of just kind of worried about that tub.
Or the old room.
But, because I know that there are bathrooms that have, you know, minus the
Yeah, yeah.
That are, like, just a, a lower one.
Yeah.
So, okay, just thought I would ask.
Thank you.
No problem.
Thanks so much.
You're welcome.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
Well, yes.
That's Liberty Park.
Oh, did you know that?
Really?
The one in Salt Lake?
Uh huh.
They just have water around like that?
They sleep pretty well.
I guess you used to.
You used to have water, okay.
You used to, huh?
It's pretty.
Well, let me clip this back on to you.
Uh huh.
Did that injection just give you some spunk all of a sudden?
One here, one here.
Okay.
Let's clip it on right here if you don't mind.
Oh, that's a good one.
Oh, that's a good one.
Oh, that's a good one.
Oh, that's a good one.
Oh, that's a good one.
Oh, that's a good one.
Oh, that's a good one.
here. Okay. Alright. So we were, just to continue on, we were talking about
scriptures, favorite scriptures or hymns that you liked. Let's just keep it easy and start
with scriptures. So what, what scriptures can you paraphrase that you like? The
shortest one is Jesus, he whipped. I think that's the shortest. Oh dear, I do
have a favorite and I can't think now what it is. I have it written, I just read
it yesterday.
Was that from our reading for this week in the New Testament?
This must be an important scripture if we're going to do that.
It must be.
Well, you know something?
I'll tell you what my scripture is relating to those two.
Sure.
If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or good report
or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
These two are very much that way culturally, spiritually.
I just feel that they have top level choices and tastes
in music, in books.
Dale's got this giant list that he puts together
every year of the books that he reads.
And he reads intentionally.
And so does Beverly.
You guys, you don't waste your time
on things that are just trite.
You know what you want to read.
You're very kind.
That's great.
Well, I was going to say this.
Maybe I'll say it when she gets back in here again.
But I've interviewed a lot of people.
And there's something that I find
is that members of the church, when they live their faith,
Their life is peaceful.
Even though they might have crazy things that happen to them,
they're just genuinely peaceful, happy people.
And it's profound.
You see that.
It's very clear.
Well, I love the New Testament.
I can't give you quotations from it in the month,
but there's a lot of things I love about it.
It's interesting that it's been changed several times.
And I guess they say the same thing all the time.
Now, when we find that it's second-neigh-five.
Something like that.
Oh.
Should have him at top of my tongue.
It's probably the kind of thing that you could let me know,
and I could call him.
We could just add in.
But it's in second-neigh-five.
What does it talk about? Anything in particular that you can remember?
Oh, I just muddled today. I just read it yesterday. Second Nephi. What's famous from that? I'm
sorry. Oh.
There's many.
Oh.
Yeah, it's okay. It's all right.
When you say that, I feel like looking at the scripture mastery list.
I know, I know. I'm sure it's in there.
My mind is a blank.
It's all right. We can jump on to hymns. So what are some of your hymns that you've
always loved?
What's the eighty-one? For All the Saints?
For All the Saints.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, For All the Saints.
that one. That's not 81. What's 81? Oh, why didn't you mail me these ahead of time?
I could have just given you these answers.
So, for all the saints, what do you like about that one?
It's called Press Forward Saints.
Oh, Press Forward Saints.
Press Forward Saints.
For all the saints it's 82.
Okay.
But Press Forward Saints.
And I like that one too.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Did you know the gardeners who wrote it?
Because when you said that I was thinking of the gardeners.
Okay.
I don't think so.
She also wrote, I Believe in Being Honest, that primary song.
Oh.
It's quite a human.
Yeah.
Next question.
Okay.
Do you have a hymn that you like in particular?
I do, but I can't recall the name.
I like several of the hymns.
I like the whole New Testament.
It just discerned me that they had to rewrite it and so forth, and I don't know what they changed.
What did they rewrite?
The New Testament was rewritten in several.
We're supposed to believe in marriage, but I don't understand why there isn't a mother in heaven that we know about, or that Jesus never got married.
Well, Oh My Father talks about the mother in heaven.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's somebody else's concept.
Well, as it says in the song, the truth makes reason stare, right? I think regarding that.
Of course, the belief in heaven and God and so forth, I just hope it's true, but scientifically,
It's hard to figure out how it can happen.
The more we learn about the
what's up above,
the more complicated it is.
How we're going to relate
to our relatives when there are millions of people here, if they are
floating around in space, or if they're on some planet,
I don't know where they are.
I'm just waiting to see what happens.
I don't deny it, but I have to say that I don't understand how it could be true.
Okay.
I think, yeah, I guess it could be just different ways to look at it.
I'll tell you, the stuff that we're finding out to me doesn't extinguish my faith, but actually emboldens it.
Does that make sense?
So for example, the discoveries made by the James Webb telescope,
I said, when those pictures came out, I said to my son,
Duh!
And my son loved that, that I said that,
because he said, he's like, we've already known that the world is a very big place,
that the universe is a very big place.
And it's incredible, all the galaxies and universes,
and the fact that we have the position of our planet
so precisely positioned next to the sun,
to enable life is incredible, is a miracle in and of itself, which I think to me conveys
a purpose and a reason and a design that was intentional. And so, I don't know, that gives
me comfort. I've had too many experiences in my life that I can't, don't want to deny
it. Does that make sense?
I hope you're right. I just don't know. I still hope that somehow we will see each
other in an afterlife. But scientifically it seems very complicated.
I think scientifically, according to man's premise of science, I think it's a little
bit exclusive, too exclusive.
But anyway, well thank you for sharing.
Hope cometh of faith, right?
Like it says.
And that's sometimes all that we have.
And that's okay.
So I love the church. I love the people in it. I'm sorry I can't attend more. It's very awkward going with the walker to cherish the results.
I do read every week the bishop's message and his summary, which is better than listening to presentations.
Right. That's great. So any hymns that you can think of?
There are a lot, but I can't think of the names. If I had a hymn, I could say which ones I like.
As a fellow bass, I would say that I don't like Praise to the Man because it's too
mundane.
It's one of the most mundane bass parts in all of it.
Oh yes, the bass part, right.
It's like the same thing.
So you could just scroll in any of those and I'm sure something would jump out at you.
I mean, you two have been singing hymns and music for so many years.
Long time.
What's your favorite?
Oh boy.
Hard to pick.
I like Lord, I Would Follow Thee.
Hard to pick.
I like Lorde. I would follow the...
You had something like this?
You what?
Lorde. I would follow the... is one of my favorites.
Oh, that's a nice one.
Oh.
That's nice.
Sometimes when you press this side, it flips ahead or back, but you can always just go
like this.
Oh.
You know.
I like...
Those are all a list of all those things.
What is it?
Like, here's my heart, Lorde, take and seal it. That one. Come now.
Come now.
Come now.
Come now.
Come now.
Come now.
I really like that it acknowledges the enemy's desire to take you because I like the harsh...
I feel like sometimes we talk too much about, oh, good, good, good, but there's actually
an evil force working on us, on our souls, and how it just acknowledges that that is
there.
And he says, here's my heart, Lord, take and seal it.
But he says, I feel the pinging of Satan trying to take you.
And I like that it just acknowledges
the brutal reality of life.
I did.
I pushed him in there.
Oh, because you pressed right on the number.
I didn't.
Oh, well, I don't know.
Anyway, so from the beginning.
Are they working on a new hymn book?
Yes, they have a book for some time.
And don't touch this down here.
I think it was slowed down because of COVID.
And they may be doing more of a different musical program
anyway, I think, in the church,
where it'd be more so maybe some custom element to it.
I've wondered what President Nelson's
gonna surprise us with at some point.
I know I do too.
But there's gonna be- It'll probably be coming.
There's gonna be a regional,
so there's gonna be the basic hymns.
Right.
And then regionally, where, like if you're in Africa,
you're gonna have some music released to you.
Star Spangled Banner is a good-
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Iíve started a little tradition in our world where we do the ìGod Bless Americaî
in Spanish and in English.
You do what?
We sing ìGod Bless Americaî in English and in Spanish.
Oh.
And everybody loves it.
Uh-huh.
Because theyíre glad to be here.
I did move my thumb from the middle there.
Huh.
I donít know.
Here, just go like this.
Just go back.
Where do you live?
In Kaysville.
What ward?
The Kaysville.
Where do you live?
In Kaysville.
What ward?
The Kaysville Willow Pines Ward.
It used to be the first ward in the Tabernacle for a long time, but then they changed their
boundaries about eight or ten years ago.
To what?
To what?
It's called Willow Pines Ward.
So, they just added a new ward in our stake, and then when they added that new ward, I
became part of that new ward because they needed a little bit of extra help.
Willow Pines, huh?
It's called—there was a trailer park there that was a branch, and it was called the Willow
Pines Trailer Park Branch.
Willow Pines Branch.
And then they just made it into a ward, and they took off some people from some of the
stronger areas and just added it to that so that they could have an inventory.
So they still have a lot of trailers?
Yes.
So yeah, most of my time I'm working amongst the trailer park folks.
Are they pretty transient, or are they impermanent?
No, they're very transient.
It's a very transient ward.
It's a lot of work. And you just kind of have to embrace that reality. That's just what it is.
So it's a lot of work. It's hard. But it's, the people are very real. They are what you get. They are what you see. There's nothing. It's raw. It's a very raw award.
And how many? Hundreds?
We actually have about 400 to 500 people in the ward, but only half of them attend.
Did you put these out in the first place?
No, I didn't. It's a task.
And what's your position?
Well, I am right now the ward mission leader and the elders quorum presidency first counselor.
But I was in the bishopric before that.
Oh.
And I've always loved missionary work. I love it. So challenging.
Did you go on a two-year mission?
Mexico City.
Oh, did you?
Our son went to Mexico, too.
Oh, did he?
The Delta Airline pilot.
Oh, did he?
Yeah, what part?
Yeah.
You know, was it the city or was it another?
He was sometime in Mexico City.
And then he went Guadalajara maybe.
Okay, so he was probably south.
Maybe he was Mexico City south.
Yeah, I was in Mexico City north.
People are amazing in Mexico.
They're so kind.
They're so kind.
And they're so humble.
So believing.
Yes, they are very believing. It was not hard to teach God and Jesus Christ and even Joseph
Smith. People accepted Joseph Smith like that. It's just the retention that was the hard
part. Once you baptized and having them stay, you come back. The commitment level was hard.
But, you know, I've met a lot of people from South America and they're very prideful.
Generally speaking, the Argentines and the Venezuelans are generally very prideful. But
But the Mexicans are humble. They're just humble people. And they're not as prideful.
Did you know Spanish before you went there?
I learned it in grade school. It wasn't that good. By the time I left from the MTC, I was speaking fluent Spanish. Two months. Three months, technically.
They delayed our visa, so we had to go to the MTC for three months. It was torture.
He chooses Abide With Me.
with me. It's a good one. It's one of my favorites. A compañame in Spanish.
What?
Abide with me is what he chooses. Deal with that.
There's two abide with me's. Abide with me tis even tied. But you like abide with
me.
Either one I agree.
Yeah. I agree.
Sing which one that you would think of.
I can do the bass part.
I can't sing now.
You are on speaker, you can do it now.
I lost my voice.
Alright, well thank you.
So tell me about your children and who they married.
Who they married?
Yeah, who they married.
Who?
Your children.
Who did they marry?
Who did they marry?
Pam married?
Robert.
Robert Fillmore.
And what do you say about him?
Was he in real estate?
No.
Paul married Martha Stevens from central Utah, from Fillmore, Utah.
Pam married a Salt Lake boy.
And then Charlotte married Sean Farron from Salt Lake.
Oh, Salt Lake.
A lawyer.
A lawyer.
And then Peter married Mel, her picture's over there.
She's from the Philippines and she's not LDS.
Or maybe she was for a while, but anyway she isn't.
So two of them are pretty active in the church and two of them not.
How about your six or seven, are they all active?
No, they're not all active.
They all have their agency, right?
How many children do you have?
We have two.
Oh, two.
We had a stillborn baby.
We have two.
Boys, girls?
Boy and a girl.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Are they active?
Yes.
They are 18 and 15.
Huh?
One is 18 and one is 15.
Oh, oh, oh.
So, yeah.
Younger?
They are good kids.
I am, it is a struggle.
My daughter pushes back, but come follow me constantly.
So she just pushes back constantly.
Let's put it that way.
So we're trying to work that out.
So tell me about a particular challenging
of parenting older children.
What would you say?
What would you say?
Charlotte is our particular challenge because she has a child with a disease that's incurable.
And he started out with scleroderma in high school.
I talked to Pat's plastic surgeon and he was doing skin grafts because he had a lot
of skin off his hands and feet.
He had a hundred percent take in the grafts.
He went off to Berkeley, the school.
They had a semester abroad and somehow they stopped showing medication he was taking or something.
He lost all his strength and all those stuff.
He took up skiing, he couldn't hold a ski pole.
He still wanted to down the oil in Park City, and he was a ski mechanic and he was offered to ski in Peru.
But then, and he had these shots for COVID, but somehow something happened.
I don't know if he's got long-term COVID or not, but his intestine doesn't move.
They'd done a vision test and put stuff inside and tried to radiograph CT scans and so forth.
But he can't eat. So he's on TPM, total parenteral nutrition. He's lost about, I don't know, 50 pounds.
He's so weak now that he's spent a long time in the back.
He still thinks positively.
He's an amazing kid.
But nobody has a solution.
They've had to change the TBN from one arm to the other because it's a lot.
And sooner or later, I think there won't be a solution for it.
He takes a little watery soup, but I don't think he's too sure. If he tries to eat anything, he vomits.
And we had a terrible time in the hospital.
So sad.
Nobody has the solution for what he has, and nobody knows what his long-term coverage is.
What's his full name?
Michael Farron, as far as the lawyers had in front of him.
He's been all over the country too and no one can help him.
Yeah.
He's in the mail trying to defend it.
He goes there and nobody knows what to do.
They don't tell him anything.
He went to Texas to some woman doctor and thought she had a magical cure or something.
She doesn't even answer the phone.
He doesn't have any mechanical structure and they have worked on that.
mechanical structure and they worked on that. They put things down as intestines and so forth.
Anyway, he lives on TPM, one of his TPMs, on Vange Clovis, and he's on the other one, but I don't think he's still lives forever.
He started in high school, he's what, 29 now?
29, yeah.
That's so sad.
He's still positive, huh?
He is positive, but his mother is not.
She's very negative about everything.
She's not so good at talking to people.
It's hard to talk to her.
It is.
Well, we'll break her in.
I had her. That's a challenge.
Their names are in the temple.
They are?
Yes. Every time I go work there, it's always there.
Oh, thank you. Thank you.
Well?
You've covered a lot of ground.
Yes. So now, how is it being a grandparent?
Grandma. Grandpa. Grandma.
Grandma. Yeah.
Fun, fun. Yeah, it's fun. You can just do what you want and turn it back to the parents.
We have four children, thirteen grandchildren, and I have come in time to sit on my computer.
I haven't come in time yet. But we have two great, great grandchildren.
Wow. That's wonderful.
That's amazing.
The total number is...
Oh, he doesn't need the numbers on him. He figured it out today.
My round was just 76.
Wow. The descendant from you.
Two.
Oh, that's wonderful.
Ma'am has 43 kids.
Because of the grandchildren.
Grandchildren. All 24 Charlotte 4 and Peter 3.
Wow.
That's interesting.
So, now that you're in your older years, tell me about your health.
My health?
Yes.
I'm lucky.
I'm in good health.
And how old are you today?
You're ninety-two, right?
No, ninety-three.
No, you're not.
You're ninety-two.
I'm ninety-three.
Okay, ninety-three, ninety-two.
Okay.
No, I'll be ninety-three.
Okay.
Next year.
Next year.
Okay.
Next year.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Next year.
Next year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ninety-three in May.
Yeah.
Good.
So you're both in your nineties.
You look great.
You look great.
Yeah, that's pretty old, isn't it?
She has a blood disease.
That's why they came from Huntsman to treat her.
Her red cell count is way down.
The red cells that are abnormal.
The cells that are about your abnormal.
She's being treated by Huntsman right here.
Who's is that?
Yours?
the red cells that are abnormal.
The cells that are involved here are abnormal.
She's being treated by the Huntsman, by the urethral.
Robert, press star.
Whose is that, yours?
I'm getting a call.
Hello?
Yeah, it's OK.
I can wait.
Hi, Rob.
That's her half brother.
I'm sorry I didn't.
I'm looking through a list of the problems that I've missed.
Robert?
I apparently touched your phone.
Tell them we're busy, you'll call them back, honey.
Yeah.
Thanks for calling back.
Sorry to bother you.
Robert was just here Friday to visit.
It's slowly getting better.
I did not know that.
I thought it was Farmington.
She's usually in a drug called Redicret, which is a toxic activity.
They're rich and she's got a rash on her back now.
To increase the hemoglobin, they've got to make a 10.
I mean, it's good, a 10.
But it's not 14, where it ought to be.
Her cells are still extra large, there's abnormal hemoglobin in them.
and her wife's over a bit longer.
Anyway.
So she's turning into a super hero is what you're saying?
I hope.
I hope.
We're still praying that Madison, which may be talking for her, she's got to rush and
itch and yeah.
Anyway.
Sometimes the side effects can be hard.
Well, you know, some of the questions that we ask about this, about health, are interesting
as we look at Clark, you know, family and all that.
Oh, here's my shot.
Oh, wow.
Because we discover patterns in families as they're passed down, you know, so genetic
patterns.
Hi, Paul.
Hey, we're right to the very best part.
We're interviewing your parents.
Hi, Paul.
Pull up your chair.
This is fabulous.
Hi, Martha.
Is this the pilot?
Yeah, this is the pilot.
Yeah.
He went to Mexico.
Not a pilot anymore.
Okay.
He's retired.
Would you wish to hold him?
I forgot.
You can bring chairs over.
Do you want to bring chairs over?
We just got like three more questions and we'll be done.
Don't let us interrupt.
I'll come hug you in a minute.
Okay.
Good to see you.
She's got a big heart for everybody.
Yeah.
Yes, I'm from the Clark line in Farmington so. Carry on. Yeah so all right
so we were just asking about the health thing. One thing that's interesting is
we've noticed with the Clark males at least from my line they're all dying of
hypertension. Oh really? That's what the death certificates say. Really? Charles Rich, so Ezra T.
Charles Rich, Mary and Charles I believe those are all hypertension, hypertension,
So it's kind of interesting.
And my dad died of his artery was blocked.
Are you on medication?
No.
No, I'm not.
Not yet, at least.
So I'm just saying it's interesting when you ask these questions about health because
you see some similarities.
I thought that Russell and my dad had low blood pressure and I do too.
Oh, low blood pressure?
Yeah.
Go figure.
I don't know.
Just interesting.
I mean, I hope he's low blood pressure.
Her pressure is low too.
I know she's always had low blood pressure.
So what advice do you have for society, Beverly?
Try and live right, I guess.
I don't know what to say.
What would you say, people?
Don't grow old.
What?
Don't grow old.
So try to live right, huh?
What is right in society?
The way you treat people, I think.
Love your neighbor.
Okay.
That's good advice.
What advice?
I was going to say, I don't know about Paul, but I know that Charlotte refers to her mother
as Mother Teresa, in talking about how she goes and helps and serves other neighbors.
Oh, come on.
Always thinking of others.
Yeah.
In a second pot of soup or whatever.
Everyone does that.
No, they don't.
No, they don't.
Not the way you do Beverly.
So what advice do you have for your posterity?
Just try and live right.
I don't know, I can't think of much today.
What advice would you have?
thought of a lot of great answers until now. So it's going to be a beautiful interview.
Live a Christian life. Love your neighbor. Help others.
Do good. Do the best you can.
Well thank you. That comprises everyone.
No, thank you.
We just wrapped it up.
He's been asking questions for two hours.
Yeah, we're now at two hours. We're at two hours and five minutes.
We're going to record them? How do we know?
They're already recorded.
Right now?
Yeah.
This is his business.